CE4Y Sick line 8.7mm: Long term review

Oakie doakie. I’ve had this rope for a bit over 12 months now so it’s time for some updated thoughts.

And I’ll say right off the bat. I don’t think this is a good rope for beginners.

It’s a high performance rope.

Like any high performance thing it’s extremely good at what it sets out to achieve but the users need to know what they are doing.

You wouldn’t put an L plater who’d never riden before on a Ducati Streetfighter V4. 

High performance generally = uncompromising

CE4Y makes light weight, super static, strong ropes.

To achieve this the sickline 8.7 uses a UHMPE (That’s dyneema to us uncouth types) and Polyester sheath and a Polypropylene core.

Using UHMPE in the sheath was a concern of mine when I bought it

Dyneema can be a bit melty when things get hot, so CE4Y ropes aren’t recommended for abseiling on while dry. That said CE4Y claim “tests have shown that abseils up to 50m on dry ropes with a standard sized figure-8 kind of device can not damage the rope fibers due to heat generated by the friction of the abseil device.”

Still if I’m doing a dry abseil to reach the start of a canyon I try to throw the rope in a puddle before setting up the abseil just to get it wet

OK. Let’s recap the important details.

Cost: At around $6:60 per metre It’s not cheap but not the most expensive either, being a lot cheaper than the CanyonLUX for example.

Specs: CE4Y lists the rope specs as

ModelBreaking StrengthWeight
Sick Line 8.720kN42g/m

So on the weight and strength you’d give it a tick with it being in the ball park with the premium canyon ropes.

Colours: To paraphrase Henry “Model T” Ford, You can have any colour you like as long as its a weird rose taupe speckled with blue.

Handling: It’s soft and supple, knots easily. Not much else to say really

Control: She’s fast!!! Damn fast. 

Long term thoughts: It’s still fast.

I wouldn’t recommend a beginner try it single strand with something like a Hydrobot or standard figure 8 set up. Experienced friends even found it difficult to control on a Pirana. Even double rope it needs a bit of caution.

On a more modern canyoning device such as a Crittr or Palikoa its fine but if we are on a trip with mixed ropes I make sure to remind people at the anchor “We are on the sick line, add friction.”

Also being a little concerned about the wear rate of the sheath against the abrasive sandstone we get in the Bluies for a while I was reserving the sick line as our back up rope or using it as the pull strand.

I’ve got over that now and have been using it as our main rope and most trips I take it. But again it’s high performance so to get the most out of it you need a good operator. Rope placement and having an abseil technique where you are not bouncing all over the place like Ice-T in tank girl is important.

Weight.

This is where the sick line excels

Using the dodgy bathroom scales my 43m sick line comes in at 2.2kg, comparable to my 32m Imlay Canyonfire at 2.1kg. (both numbers include the plastic container I used to hold them on the scale)

All good for the dry weight but my perception was it absorbed more water and took far longer to dry.

To test this I submerged both in a bucket of water for 10min and weighted them again. And was very surprised. The Sickline went up to 2.5kg while the Canyonfire climbed to 2.7kg. I would have swore the Sick Line held more water but that proves me wrong.

What about drying time. After hanging in the sun for 30min on a hot day even though the Pick Line felt wetter it was back down to 2.3kg while the Canyonfire was still at 2.4kg. 100g less for 10m more rope. Not bad CE4Y. Not bad at all.

Shrinkage: Another thing you need to consider.

No just in cold water.

All kernmantle ropes shrink a bit from new as the fibres settle in from use. Mine measured 45m when I bought it and now measures around 43m. Not big deal. I always allow for 5-10% reduction in length of my ropes over time.

Pro tip: remeasure your ropes every now and then especially if you tend to go light weight and have just enough for the longest drop. a 30m surveyors tape cost 4/5s of frack all at Bunnings.

Would I but it again?

Tough question. the weight saving makes it very appealing but not long after I brought the Sick Line I also purchased 60m of the Pick Line 9m. At 45g/m it’s a slight weight penalty over the 8.7mm but I feel it’s a more robust rope that doesn’t run quite as quick. It’s still high performance so again I wouldn’t recommend it as an all day every day work horse for beginners in dry(er) sandstone canyons. But I’d probably go this again over the Sick Line.

If you are after a durable work horse for use across a range of stuff including dry abseils go the Imlay.

However if you are an experienced canyoner after a light weight rope for areas with more water and smoother rock the Pick Line 8.7mm is an excellent choice.

CE4Y Sick Line after 12 months use.

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Lower North Bowen

16/11/2024

Kylie, Jason, Matt, Jamelia, and me.

The “Gobsmacker” section of the North branch of Bowen creek is fun and spectacular.

And as a smaller day it was just the ticket.

Matt psyked

Woot
A little rain through the week had the water flowing nicely
Misty day made great light
You can see why it’s described as a mini Claustral
Fernilicious

And a steady hike back up to the hill. About 5hr car to car

They say a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing, but not one half as bad as a lot of ignorance.

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Cicada Falls

Access: Short section of dirt road then an easy walk. Thanks to Ty N. for his hard work fixing up the old track it is an easy walk up to the falls, though as of July 2024 the trail is a little overgrown.

Navigation: Navigation is fairly straight forward.

Map:  Lithgow  1:25000 These can be purchased at Lithgow Tourist information center or online for around $10 each though not really needed here

Time: It takes about 20 min to walk up to the falls

fern filled gorge leading up to the falls

Cicada Falls is a small waterfall in a very pretty gorge on the outskirts of Lithgow.

The walk up is straight forward on an informal trail, though there is some scrambling and exposure.

Getting There:

From the end of Inch street continue onto Bells road then past the water treatment plant onto the dirt road towards Water Works Gully. This can be a little rough with large puddles after rain.

Just before the first creek crossing look for a road up to the right (2wd vehicles will need to park here.) Turn right and follow the road up 100m and take the left option at the intersection. Follow this along the side of the creek. This road can get very boggy but walking on the right bank is easy going.

The walking track continues from the end of the road, slightly higher to the right. As of July 2024 the trail is over grown so can be hard to spot. A few large trees have fallen across the trail near the start, however it follows a flat bench above the creek and other than clambering over the trees it is easy going.

The trail crosses the creek at some industrial relics as the gorge starts to close in.

This section is the most over grown at the time at the time of writing, as you push through the ferns.

After another creek crossing the trail climbs slightly on a bench and then swings around to the right and the falls appear.

Cicada Falls

Return:

Return the same way.

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Extras:

Above the falls is a cute little micro canyon that leads up to a small dam (now totally silted up)

And at the very top of the scrubby gully above is a low, wide horseshoe style falls that really only flows at more than a misty drizzle after good rain.

Note: The great outdoors is an ever changing place. Bush fires, changing weather, vegetation growth and forestry activities can all effect the trail conditions and thus the difficulty of the walk. These are a rough guide only and are by no means meant to be a definitive guide . They do not replace the need adequate map reading and navigational skills

Note 1: Taking care  While reasonably well known these spots are still wild places and care needs to be taken around cliff edges and on the steep trails.  Carrying the right gear as well as having adequate food, water and clothing is important. Always tell someone where you are going and when you expect to get back.

Emergency beckons (PLBs) can be hired from Katoomba Police for very little.

Note 2: First aid A basic first aid kit is essential bit of kit whenever heading into the Aussie bush. A basic first aid is highly recommended

Note 3: Maps and Navigation Having the right map, a compass and knowing how to read them is very important when heading into the bush. If you are new to bush walking joining a club or accompanying more experienced walker for you first few outing is a very good idea. I found practicing map reading on well defined trails was helpful when I started out.

The Maps mentioned are the 1:25000 series. They can be purchase at Lithgow tourism information center, from outdoors shops or online for around $10 each.

Note 4: These are wild and beautiful places, respect them. If you are able to carry something in you can carry it out. Don’ be a tosser. Leaving your rubbish behind is a sure way to ruin it for every one else.

Note: The great outdoors is an ever changing place. Bush fires, changing weather, vegetation growth and forestry activities can all effect the trail conditions and thus the difficulty of the walk. These are a rough guide only and are by no means meant to be a definitive guide . They do not replace the need adequate map reading and navigational skills

Note 1: Taking care  While reasonably well known these spots are still wild places and care needs to be taken around cliff edges and on the steep trails.  Carrying the right gear as well as having adequate food, water and clothing is important. Always tell someone where you are going and when you expect to get back.

Emergency beckons (PLBs) can be hired from Katoomba Police for very little.

Note 2: First aid A basic first aid kit is essential bit of kit whenever heading into the Aussie bush. A basic first aid is highly recommended

Note 3: Maps and Navigation Having the right map, a compass and knowing how to read them is very important when heading into the bush. If you are new to bush walking joining a club or accompanying more experienced walker for you first few outing is a very good idea. I found practicing map reading on well defined trails was helpful when I started out.

The Maps mentioned are the 1:25000 series. They can be purchase at Lithgow tourism information center, from outdoors shops or online for around $10 each.

Note 4: These are wild and beautiful places, respect them. If you are able to carry something in you can carry it out. Don’ be a tosser. Leaving your rubbish behind is a sure way to ruin it for every one else.

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Urumbilum

30/12/2023

Vince, Jason, Kylie and meeeeeeeeee

This cyclone might thwart out plans.

What cyclone?

Jasper.

Jasper has smashed far north QLD and the resulting weather systems are peppering the east coast with heavy rain events.

We keep an eye on the river gauges but the ones we are interested in are staying low.

A big storm rolled through the afternoon before and it seemed to rain steadily all night. The river gauge had gone up fractionally.

Drizzly rain was predicted all day with afternoon storms.

Jasons has done it before at batshit silly high flow so at the current water levels we knew had plenty of room to move and opted for an early start to get through the more committing sections before the afternoon storms.

We park the car, suit up and we are into the creek in good spirits. The drizzle has lifted and the sun is out. The rocks are slippery as a well oiled hag fish.

It was my first time meeting Vince in person but he slotted straight in to the group dynamic.

We get to the first drop. Setting up the rope I somehow ended up with an overhand knot around the anchor. I shrug at Vince. I’m really good at this canyoning caper, honest. says I

Luckily he laughs.

Kylie at the bottom of the first abseil
Jason getting ready to descend into the devilish slot. The water might be lowish but the excitement levels are high
Kylie heading down

The top bit of Urumbilum is spectacular and at these water levels it’s fun without being overly spicy.

A couple of the abseils reminded me of Danae but overall it had more of a more Kalang on the wet line in high water feel.

Vince having a shower
Jason on a more open abseil
Kylie cooling off
Vince and Kylie down below. It was suppose to rain all day. I’m getting sun burnt
Product placement fail.

Then comes a section of creek walking.

Did I mention it was as slippery ?

Slipperier than a greased pig on an ice rink.

The creek walking bit sucked fetid arse.

But then came the next bit.

Jason getting it
Last slot was schaaaa weeeeet. Would be epic in high flow 📸©️Jason.

And now we just need to walk down the creek. How goods this we think. A down hill exit to the car shuffle….

Did I mention how slippery it was ?

It was slipperier than the worlds slipperiest thing winning first place at the world slippery championships.

Never have I fallen over so much walking down a creek.

Fun times.

practice your flow state by getting into some dangerous positions: Andy Anderson

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CE4Y Sickline 8.7: First impressions

Swiss based CE4Y burst onto the scene a couple of years ago with a range of canyon specific ropes made from more technical fibers than the polyamide (Nylon) used in most standard ropes.

The ropes are aimed at being more cut and abrasion resistant while still being light weight.

To achieve this the sickline 8.7 uses a UHMPE (That’s dyneema to us uncouth types) and Polyester sheath and a Polypropylene core.

I’d have to say I was a little skeptical for a couple of reasons.

  1. Previous ropes I’d tried with a polypropylene core I found to be a bit bouncy. CE4Y counter this with stating the sick line is super-static with less than 1.8% stretch.
  2. Both Dyneema and polypropylene can be a bit melty, so they aren’t recommended for abseiling on while dry. This kinda limits their use in a lot of blue mountains canyons which often need a dry abseil to at least get into or out of them. All that said CE4Y claim “tests have shown that abseils up to 50m on dry ropes with a standard sized figure-8 kind of device can not damage the rope fibers due to heat generated by the friction of the abseil device.” and the old option was to throw your rope in a puddle before setting up the abseil
  3. Price

But curiosity got the better of me and I thought I’d give one a crack

Here’s my first impressions

Cost: At around $390au for 60m It’s not cheap but not the most expensive either, being a lot cheaper than the CanyonLUX for example.

Specs: CE4Y lists the rope specs as

ModelBreaking StrengthWeight
Sick Line 8.720kN42g/m

So on the weight and strength you’d give it a tick with it being in the ball park with the premium canyon ropes.

Colours: To paraphrase Henry “Modle T” Ford, You can have any colour you like as long as its a weird rose taupe speckled with blue.

First use:

After the obligatory tie it on to something and run a descender over it a few times I took her out for a spin in Empress

My first impressions.

Handling: It’s soft and supple, knots easily. Not much else to say really

Control: She’s fast!!! Damn fast.

Other reviews I’ve read suggest it will calm down a bit with use but at this stage, a few trips in, I wouldn’t recommend it for beginners or people using a standard figure 8 or hydrobot style descender. You definitely want options to quickly add friction on the go. An experienced friend had a few issues with getting the right friction on a pirana. Finding the different settings either too quick or too slow and not so in between

Saying that, with the right amount of friction on my CRITTR (more than I’ve used on any other rope ever) it ran nicely through the hand and CE4Y were not lying on the super-static call, it felt solid and smooth.

Anyhoo, for now I’m liking it. Once you get the friction setting sorted it feels smooth and not too hot on your hand (I don’t like wearing gloves) and the weight factor is a plus but it needs more play dates before I settle on my final call in a long term review.

Stay tuned.

Or not, go make up your own mind. I aint care, I’m not your mum.

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Long term review

Watta Canyon

18-02-2023

Jason Kylie and me.

So Watta canyon on the Southern Highlands has been on my list for a while but for one reason or another I hadn’t got there.

Time to rectify that.

It starts with a bit of promise
There’s lots of scrambling down, up, and over boulders but the creek is surprisingly pretty
And there are arches. Beautiful, mossy arches
And long swims
Swims that end abruptly in waterfalls
Jason on the first fun little drop
Kylie having a shower

And then the canyon ends as the arse end falls out of the world.

From the top it looks massive.

Kylie is setting up the short rope. Um, it looks massive…

A 20m abseil brings us to a big ledge. That was hidden at the top.

And now it’s time for the long ropes.

A stunning full length abseil into space.
Kylie giving the falls some perspective
Me and Jas adding some buff, or sumfink. 📸©️Kylie

and that quite definitely is the answer. I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you’ve never actually known what the question is. D Adams

And about 3.5hrs after we started we are back at the cars.

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Horseshoe Falls

Access: Easy walk though a bit steep in spots, muddy and slippery after rain, which tends to be the best time to visit. There are unfenced clifflines and some steep uneven steps

Navigation: Navigation is straight forward on signposted paths.

Time: It takes about 2.5hr return

Somewhat underrated ( well I’d not heard much of it, then again I wasn’t paying attention either) This pleasant loop in Hazelbrook takes you past 4 nice little waterfalls. Fairy Falls, Horseshoe Falls, Oakland Falls and Burgess Falls

Getting there: Drive to Hazelbrook and navigate to Oaklands road. There is a small parking area at the bottom of the hill. Parking here you note trails heading into the reserve. In the words of Obi Wan These are not the trails you are looking for.

Instead walk back up the road 50m, and you see the track on the other side a small bridge.

The trail is reasonably well signposted and soon you’ll get the option to branch off and head down to the creek bed to the base of the fall. Lower trails take you in past the waterfalls and you can loop back along the upper trail

Each water fall has a little cave behind it. Tip for the adventurous, Glowworms at night

Note 1: Taking care  While reasonably well known these spots are still wild places and care needs to be taken around cliff edges and on the steep trails.  Carrying the right gear as well as having adequate food, water and clothing is important. Always tell someone where you are going and when you expect to get back.

Emergency beckons (PLBs) can be hired from Katoomba Police for very little.

Note 2: First aid A basic first aid kit is essential bit of kit whenever heading into the Aussie bush. A basic first aid is highly recommended

Note 3: Maps and Navigation Having the right map, a compass and knowing how to read them is very important when heading into the bush. If you are new to bush walking joining a club or accompanying more experienced walker for you first few outing is a very good idea. I found practicing map reading on well defined trails was helpful when I started out.

The Maps mentioned are the 1:25000 series. They can be purchase at Lithgow tourism information center, from outdoors shops or online for around $10 each.

Note 4: These are wild and beautiful places, respect them. If you are able to carry something in you can carry it out. Don’ be a tosser. Leaving your rubbish behind is a sure way to ruin it for every one else.

Arethusa, again

02/04/22

Madie, Kylie, Russ and meeeeee

It had been 5 weeks since I have done a canyon!!!

Sure I’d done a heap of other cool stuff in mean time but I was itching to get back out.

Wanna do Arethusa?

Does the pope shit in the woods…. wait, um, that’s not it. I mean, hell yeah

So the top photo is my Bestards, renownly awesome boots for Blue Mtns style canyons. On the bottom are my skeches renownly comfy for old men but super slippery. I had the bestards out ready to go with my wet suit booties. Guess which shoes I put on that morning.

Anyhoo we meet up. Head in and gear up.

So yeah 5 weeks since last canyon but more like 9 since I was last on a rope . I may have been a little excited
and before long we are into it

It’s a big call but Imma call it anyway, Arethusa is the best bang for buck micro adventure in the Blue Mountains.

All thrilla no filla. Beautiful canyon sections with minimum creek walking. Pretty waterfall and cascades. Abseils that can be techie unless it’s supper low water levels. Interesting down climbs with optional jumps. Stunning views at the end. And some easy but adventurous climbing to get out.

Some extra bolts have appeared recently and I would caution people to assess the landingzones. We scrambled/walked past most (all) of them simply because it was quicker and easier (even in the slipperiest-shoes-known-to-man(tm). OK I had a few moments but none of them near the optional abseil bolts) but one anchor in particular looked like it would drop you into recirculating water at the flow level we did it in. At lower levels (and maybe higher levels) it mightn’t be an issue but today we looked and said nope to that.

So make sure you assess things yourself rather than just blindly follow. And that goes for all canyons. We got use to the low water levels during 10years of drought, now they are flowing again reassess things.

but anyhoo I have done write ups of Arethusa before here and here, so enjoy the photos (none of which are mine so ©Madie ©Russ and ©Kylie.)

Madie checking out an alternate rap to avoid the pot hole in the waterfall
The girls wondering if I’ll make it across the gap in the slipperiest-shoes-known-to-man(tm)

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Same spot a couple of years ago different water level
She’s a pretty canyon

meat anchors are me
Frothy

And then it’s time to climb out, well it’s time for Madie to climb out and haul the rest of us up or sumfink

the crew
it’s best not to ask

Of course I’m sane, when trees start talking to me, I don’t talk back: T Pratchett Well Ok sometimes I do: Flynny

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